| Power Rangers Revelations Archive, Part 2 |
[Jun. 29th, 2003|07:16 am] |
Well, there's so much, I needed a Part 2...and yes, I stayed up all night doing this... Thanks to CLFunaro of Funaroverse for providing most of the info in AIM chats over the last few months.
CLFunaro: This is my PRTF bitch, actually.
CLFunaro: They had an overplot -- and got rid of it for Timeranger's.
CLFunaro: ... Why? It opened GREAT!
Cyrax9: What do you mean?
CLFunaro: I'd hold the first ten eps of PRTF as some of the finest PR ever.
CLFunaro: Dynamic, electric writing, good acting, stuff is perpetually HAPPENING...
CLFunaro: ... And then we're locked into sentai plotting for 20 eps.
CLFunaro: Where we move like glaciers.
CLFunaro: We had multiple eps reinforcing the same idea -- "Jen needs to learn to trust Wes more."
CLFunaro: Dammit, you know why Sentai writes like that?
CLFunaro: They have no reruns, they HAVE to pace slowly.
CLFunaro: The first ten eps of PRTF sallyed forth.
CLFunaro: And once Alex shows up as Mystery Man, we're COMMITTED to the Time overplot of the Captain returning.
CLFunaro: Why? We used... One fight from when the Captain was Red, and they were morphed the whole bloody time.
CLFunaro: And then we get the Ferricks thing, which is just a giant retcon -- even Chip admits it. A GOOD retcon, yes, but it clashes badly with how Frax is initially written.
CLFunaro: And once we get the Ransik/Frax conflict set up, which is GREAT...
CLFunaro: "ten eps with no fight between them until the finale."
CLFunaro: Dammit, you don't end an ep with "Daddy's going hunting" without follow-through.
CLFunaro: See, I like Time Force. It had so much potential, and a great cast. Neat characters.
CLFunaro: And that said -- I fucking HATE the show we got.
KeithCrichton: what's a "retcon"... besides a cool word?
CLFunaro: Retcon means "retroactive continuity." Something changed after the fact.
CLFunaro: "we act like it was always the case, but it's a damn lie."
CLFunaro: Like... Tommy is Native American.
Digimansion02: but back on topic, I thnk that if there was some how a way to bring Evil Zedd back from the inside of the man he became I`d go for it
Digimansion02: And possibly ressurect the Psycho`s in the process
CLFunaro: I wouldn't do Zedd without Ed Neil and Bob Axelrod.
CLFunaro: I'd bring Specter back before that.
CLFunaro: Or, being me... Lokar.
Digimansion02: Bob is still working last I checked, he`s done a lot of anime
CLFunaro: yes, but he's union
Digimansion02: Personally Lokar was my number one choice for most unsung villian
CLFunaro: And it's... Simpler.
CLFunaro: "Well, Satan's back."
KeithCrichton: i don't even remember... "Lokar?"
Digimansion02: He was a big head
CLFunaro: The dark god Rita worshipped.
CLFunaro: Great Satan from Zyuranger.
KeithCrichton: oh yeah!
CLFunaro: He got a cut ref in PRWF.
KeithCrichton: what was the reference?
CLFunaro: Taming of the Zords, Jindrax's commentary.
CLFunaro: "That one's JUST for the fans. By Lokar!"
CLFunaro: They trimmed that.
CLFunaro: I'd been lobbying Amit since Jan for that.
[Concerning Episode 500]:
CLFunaro: See, post-reconstruction Eltar would be great.
CLFunaro: And you can pull some stunt like making "Alpha Eight" guardian of Eltar now.
CLFunaro: And Alpha explains the origins of the Rangers.
Digimansion02: If you can get an Alpha unit with a large memory bank to tell the story of PR then that would work fine
Superpower1979: perfect.
Digimansion02: yeah
Digimansion02: Or hell, make it Alpha Five
TREKBR: just get the original Alpha
Superpower1979: The original Alpha's dust.
TREKBR: how is the original Alpha dust?
CLFunaro: I'd prefer not to have A5 be alive, per Amit's wishes.
TREKBR: PA how is Alpha dust?
CLFunaro: And more Alphas is... Cooler.
Superpower1979: Battle of Eltar..
KeithCrichton: what happened to Alpha 5?
CLFunaro: Amit felt he died in the Seige of Eltar.
CLFunaro: He said so on the message boards.
CLFunaro: Place your bets that Shuri's death is Cam on a suicide run, losing the powers.
CLFunaro: But he's okay -- so he can angst for the finale.
Superpower1979: Well, if they want him in the teamup, he shouldn't even lose his powers.
Superpower1979: Eric never lost his powers either.
CLFunaro: Well, that's fudgable.
CLFunaro: Yeah, but they also shot the "Eric dies" ending just in case BS&P would allow it.
TREKBR: lets face it folks
TREKBR: were never EVER going to SEE a PR dying
CLFunaro: Well, we did twice.
CLFunaro: It just didn't take.
CLFunaro: And the Force script SPECIFICALLY says Alex died.
CLFunaro: He got better, but he died.
Superpower1979: Alex died? When did that happen
CLFunaro: Force From the Future, when he blows up. The script specifies "not to show the moment where Alex dies directly."
CLFunaro: And then says the techs swarm around Alex's corpse.
Superpower1979: Well, apparently they changed it by the time later eps rolled around
CLFunaro: The timeline changed was the answer I got.
CLFunaro: Amit had to leap through hoops to kill Cole's parents and Adler.
CLFunaro: And damn if it wasn't successful.
Superpower1979: Yeah, I'm glad he was able to.
CLFunaro: What's great is -- you can TELL the moment Adler dies, and MO takes total control of the body.
CLFunaro: The push off the cliff by Mandilok.
CLFunaro: Weirdly...
CLFunaro: Turbo had a bigger budget than Space.
CLFunaro: But Space USED theirs better.
Superpower1979: I don't think you were here at the time, but we were talking about them having an Alpha 8 explain the origins on the Power Rangers.
Puperazzi: An alpha would be cool... But I want something more epic...
CLFunaro: You want Phanty.
CLFunaro: GHOST ROBOT! ACCEPT IT!
PrometheusUFO: Originally posted by Darky Yeah, can you please explain the Phantom Ranger? Also, how did you feel about PRT/Carranger?
PrometheusUFO: Doug: I wasn't there for Phantom Ranger. I left right after the first couple of Eps of Turbo. I remember Shuki saying in a meeting that it was going to be a ghost, but that's all I can recall on that. Sorry.
CLFunaro: YES!
CLFunaro: GHOST ROBOT!
CLFunaro: FUCK ALL OF YOU! ;-)
PrometheusUFO: lol
CLFunaro: Amit agreed with Ghost Robot also. ;-)
Superpower1979: Think about it.. He needed a Power Ruby to survive. The Power Ruby was his source of plasma. :-P
CLFunaro: The Power Ruby contained the spirits of the dead Rangers.
CLFunaro: Without them, he WOULD die.
Superpower1979: There were no dead Rangers.
Superpower1979: :-P
CLFunaro: Sure there were.
CLFunaro: The Ancient PRLG.
Superpower1979: well okay, got me there.
CLFunaro: The Ancient Warriors count, per WT...
Superpower1979: The Ancient Warriors never morphed.
CLFunaro: And he said there were dozens beyond the core five, so that's a number.
CLFunaro: Yeah, but he said they count as Rangers. That they did morph to the armor.
CLFunaro: So... Yeah.
CLFunaro: Author infallibility.
TREKBR: justin was the blue ranger and they made him grow so that no one would know
TREKBR: that was just assonine
Superpower1979: They had to make him grow.
Superpower1979: Would you really want to see him in costume at the same size?
TREKBR: yeah but u know how they would have the rangers with their helmets off?
CLFunaro: The internal physics...
CLFunaro: The instant you helmet pop, you lose the morphing template.
TREKBR: did they actually show him with his helmet off at that size?
CLFunaro: he shrank.
Superpower1979: Yeah, I always wondered what it looked like when he took off his helmet.
CLFunaro: Like, when Zack helmet popped, he lost the finger.
CLFunaro: The morphing template only works so long.
CLFunaro: Rov had a great essay on this.
Superpower1979: Actually, Carlos grew when he unmorphed in "Always A Chance"
CLFunaro: Yeah, we clearly SAW tha.
TREKBR: all i remember is that kimberly once said that the helmets helped fix a bad hair day
CLFunaro: Which was... Surreal.
Superpower1979: I always thought that was kinda weird.
CLFunaro: Leo changed heights when his helmet was compromised.
CLFunaro: I assume the closed helmet contains the morphing template body. When compromised -- back to normal.
CLFunaro: So it's like a "standby" form.
CLFunaro: It's... A circuit key.
CLFunaro: You need the whole suit on.
TREKBR: they never explained what EXACTLY happened to the Zeo powers
Puperazzi: they weren't enough
Puperazzi: what's to explain?:-P
TREKBR: no but they were good enough for the tv show
TREKBR: its not as if they were taken away
Puperazzi: Nope, just set aside.
Superpower1979: They weren't strong enough.
TREKBR: they couldve morphed into the zeo rangers at any time but it was forgotten
Superpower1979: That's all you need to know.
TREKBR: yeah
CLFunaro: There weren't Zeo Rangers for a time. Now there are.
CLFunaro: Well, Amit confirmed Kat and Rocky are active.
CLFunaro: That's the in-continuity "where's Rocky."
CLFunaro: He's Blue Ranger now, not Red.
CLFunaro: And Kat is active alongside her husband.
TREKBR: rocky is kat's hubby?
CLFunaro: ... No, Kat married Tommy. Like we saw. ;-)
CLFunaro: Look, here's how I regard PRNS. It's how I regard PRLG.
CLFunaro: "This was a bad sentai to try and adapt -- so they tried to get through all the unavoidable stuff as quickly as possible."
CLFunaro: "It took about half the run."
CLFunaro: God, I would never have wanted to try and adapt Gingaman.
Superpower1979: I don't see why Hurricanger was so bad to adapt.
Puperazzi: Me either
CLFunaro: All I know is that the last staff, upon seeing it, had a panic attack.
CLFunaro: "Oh god, this is gonna smart."
Digimansion02: Does Bandai pay for the armors?
Digimansion02: on the show that is
CLFunaro: You know, I've gotten contradictory info on that.
CLFunaro: I know Bandai forced the Wild Rider solution in FR.
CLFunaro: "We don't have the budget for the climax."
CLFunaro: "We'll pay for it. Pimp the new bike."
CLFunaro: We got gypped on a ten Megazord battle.
Digimansion02: You mean original footage?
CLFunaro: CG.
Digimansion02: Well that would be against the norm wouldn`t it?
CLFunaro: It was the cheapest solution, they didn't have all the suits in workable shape.
CLFunaro: What was it, give me a minute...
CLFunaro: Thunder Megazord, Red Shogunzord, Red Battlezord, Lighting Fire Tamer, Astro Megaship, Galaxy Megazord, Lightspeed Megazord, Time Force Megazord, the Q-Rex, and Isis Megazord.
CLFunaro: I think that's right.
CLFunaro: Wait, was it Lightspeed Solarzord?
CLFunaro: That could fly, I might be wrong on that one.
Songlad1: what's the explaination on the Thunder Megazord?
Digimansion02: I`m just guessing that the majority of PRWF`s budget was speant on the team up and the finale, and FR got what was set aside
CLFunaro: "Jason got it back from Osamu," I think.
CLFunaro: FR was the highest budgeted ep of PRWF.
CLFunaro: Well, Amit and I had that discussion.
CLFunaro: "Yeah, the Dark Rangers work."
CLFunaro: he didn't much care. ;-)
Songlad1: I got the ref, from the Ninja Ranger flipbook
CLFunaro: Precisely.
Digimansion02: Did they throw history out the window for FR?
CLFunaro: Not at all, just...
Digimansion02: Such as how certain rangers morphed? Or was it just ot be assumed how they were able to?
CLFunaro: "Jason had adventures we didn't see."
CLFunaro: Thus -- when Jason met Wes and Eric.
CLFunaro: Tommy got the Zeo Crystal back at some unspecified point, the Zeos are semi-active.
Digimansion02: So I guess Amit used the theory that Trini, Zack and Jas still had their powers when they left
CLFunaro: No, that he got them back.
Digimansion02: With the Morphin Grid gone?
CLFunaro: "He got them back, it doesn't much matter how. It's like how everyone knew TJ."
CLFunaro: The Grid isn't gone.
CLFunaro: The LOCAL Grid in the Command Center was destroyed.
CLFunaro: But fuck, you can fix that with a couple Power Coins.
CLFunaro: If the Grid was destroyed, Aurico couldn't morph.
Digimansion02: And Zordon did creat the white ranger coin
CLFunaro: Well, I suspect the Karovan spaceports were used by Zordon as building grounds for his tech...
CLFunaro: But that's not canonical.
CLFunaro: I mean, why else did Spec take out KO-35 so early pre-invasion?
CLFunaro: Or assign them Zhane's powers, one of the most powerful morphers in the universe?
Digimansion02: Whats canonical about Spectre and Maligore
Digimansion02: I remember someone saying they were brothers
CLFunaro: Lies.
CLFunaro: Spec is a shape-shifter.
CLFunaro: That's all we know.
Digimansion02: Well, we never got to see his other shapes, that's what I don`t understand
CLFunaro: Ah, but he does.
CLFunaro: He morphs into Zordon in a tube once, he's cloaked himself as starfield...
Digimansion02: Was his character around prior to PRIS, like the idea of an anti-zordon during zeo
CLFunaro: Not that I know of.
CLFunaro: Spec is a demon, apparently a remnant of Bansheera's era.
CLFunaro: (untamed water kills him in the movie)
CLFunaro: Errr00-
CLFunaro: Maligore.
Songlad1: His character was always around, just never talked about. Like anything in the PR-verse, he didn't come up until he was a threat
CLFunaro: Right, he was a retcon.
Digimansion02: What about the constant use of 3,000 years?
Digimansion02: It`s been my theory that they meant something really huge happened around then
CLFunaro: Well, we know one thing that apparently synches up PRLR and PRLG.
CLFunaro: "Why were the Lost Galaxy portals opening up?"
CLFunaro: "Grand Cross occurred then."
CLFunaro: I think a prelude to Grand Cross is dimensional portals ripping open.
CLFunaro: Which IS what Bansheera needed to ascend.
CLFunaro: (she was bodily destroyed and in a sub-dimension, like Zordon)
CLFunaro: But PRLR's demonic era was 5000 years ago, of course.
CLFunaro: Just that Bansheera missed the FIRST Grand Cross she could have used to get out.
CLFunaro: Which is, I presume, why Diabolico took Ryan.
CLFunaro: Somebody to do the ceremony who wasn't banished.
Digimansion02: You know, sometimes when I look at LR
Digimansion02: it looks like Ryan is a demon himself
CLFunaro: Ryan's dead, yes.
CLFunaro: He died in the car crash.
CLFunaro: (they couldn't SHOW that)
Digimansion02: I`m not sure what you mean
CLFunaro: He's a spirit given physical presence.
CLFunaro: Like I presume the Lights did to Kendrix.
Digimansion02: Diabolico caught him?
CLFunaro: Well, that's what we saw.
CLFunaro: That's not what they intended HAPPEN to him.
CLFunaro: The police found the mangled body. Or else there'd be... Investigations as to where...
Songlad1: How'd Diabolico get out there to catch him, if he was in the tomb?
CLFunaro: Well, Diabolico was a spirit.
CLFunaro: He could physically affect another spirit.
CLFunaro: He's just... Bodily in the tomb.
Songlad1: I realize it was a spirit, but as a spirit he could catch things, so that spirit could go open the tomb to get the physical bodies out all along... Does that make sense
CLFunaro: Well, he didn't really "catch" Ryan.
Songlad1: Ooh, I see now, spirits only
CLFunaro: He took Ryan's soul... As the body hit the ground.
CLFunaro: BS&P didn't like that script much.
Digimansion02: Ok what do you know about my boy Trip
CLFunaro: Xybrian... Trepanation... Hatched out of eggs...
CLFunaro: That's all I know.
Digimansion02: What was dropped about Ranzik?
Digimansion02: He was killed in the end, no wait nadira was suppose to die right?
CLFunaro: Nadira as his wife, his dying at the end of FFtF, and being remade in Ransik Lives...
CLFunaro: No, End of Time ended in that regard as scripted.
CLFunaro: (Ransik wears his wedding ring on a necklace, which is seldom visible)
Digimansion02: ah, so who was his wife?
Digimansion02: Cause it seems that when they changed Nadria to his offspring she was just never thought of
CLFunaro: His wife is dead.
CLFunaro: That's all we know.
CLFunaro: I dubbed her "Lira" for lack of anything better, but that's no more canonical than Morbis as Ransik's mentor.
CLFunaro: (though I also use that)
Superpower1979: Chris "I blame those blabbermouths at JDF's board, who nearly got every important PR site on the 'net closed down." What was this about?
CLFunaro: Something I like to call the "Secret Crisis," re: Forever Red.
CLFunaro: That nearly got everybody shut down.
Superpower1979: What exactly happened?
CLFunaro: You guys have no clue how close Jacci was to totally narcing the fandom.
Superpower1979: You mean the one in charge of Jason David Frank's group?
CLFunaro: Yep.
CLFunaro: The JDF club nearly demolished fan/show relations by illegally posting those backstage pics, etc.
CLFunaro: Thus the sudden reworking of the 'verse and PRC's public domain banners...
CLFunaro: Remember when Saban almost shut down Manny?
CLFunaro: Imagine the entire fandom.
Superpower1979: wow, they were going to actually do that?
CLFunaro: They were prepared to.
CLFunaro: BV legal was THAT mad.
CLFunaro: And meanwhile I'm so sick I can barely move at the time.
Superpower1979: wow
Superpower1979: I heard Jason David Frank got in trouble for leaking info.
CLFunaro: Yeah, it wasn't pretty.
CLFunaro: So you appreciate why I often go after the fans?
CLFunaro: A lot of stuff goes down, and it's stressful.
Astinus753: What about at the end of the TF/WF teamup? Were we supposed to assume that Jen stayed then or was it more just whatever we wanted to believe?
CLFunaro: Ambiguity.
CLFunaro: Amit never intended for people to believe Jen stayed.
CLFunaro: "Yeah, Jen stayed -- and then the timestorms killed everyone."
Astinus753: Would the timestorms happen if Wes went to the future?
CLFunaro: Not exactly, just...
CLFunaro: The universe would have to plug Eric into Wes' slot for history, I think.
CLFunaro: The timestorms were to prevent a paradox.
CLFunaro: End of Time was sloppily written, the core of it was meant to be...
CLFunaro: "The universe has a choice. A paradox WILL occur if the Trizirium Crystals are left to be developed."
CLFunaro: "Silver Hills can be destroyed, or Millennium City can be destroyed."
CLFunaro: Destroying Millennium City, and the future of Time Force, would destroy everything.
CLFunaro: ... So Silver Hills has to die.
PRdudeX: So Millennium City was the city in 3000-3001 that the Time Force Police protect?
CLFunaro: Yep.
CLFunaro: Two separate cities occupying the same space.
CLFunaro: There was an apocalypse in the 25th century, per Time Blaster.
CLFunaro: PR is a team effort.
CLFunaro: Storyliens get discarded, reworked...
CLFunaro: Ryan doesn't end up as the seventh PRTF, piloting the Time Shadow...
CLFunaro: (a plot I wish they HAD done)
Superpower1979: Wait just a minute..
Superpower1979: The seventh PRTF?
CLFunaro: Well, Titanium.
PRdudeX: They were going to bring Ryan back?
CLFunaro: With a new belt buckle.
CLFunaro: Rhett talked about it with Chip for a time.
CLFunaro: Titanium looking SO LITTLE like GGV in design...
CLFunaro: And the staff loved Rhett.
CLFunaro: But you see why that's impractical.
CLFunaro: Ryan would be the crossover element for PRLR/PRTF, as I gathered.
CLFunaro: Ah, the plots that got away.
CubeRanger: silly me thought alex was going to be the quantum ranger
CLFunaro: There was discussion of Alex as Quantum, actually.
CLFunaro: I own a coloring book back when that was a possibility.
CLFunaro: But the impracticality of that much Faunt...
CubeRanger: but im glad he wasnt
CLFunaro: Really, it'd be MURDER on Jason.
CLFunaro: "Quantum is the mysterious Ranger from 3000, with a tie to Jen..."
CLFunaro: "who NEVER demorphs."
[ Continue on to Part 3... ]
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